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		<title>By: ABO</title>
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		<dc:creator>ABO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 03:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karl

That's right,  just an ordinary guy. Not a mutant.</description>
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<p>That&#8217;s right,  just an ordinary guy. Not a mutant.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://www.flascience.org/wp/?p=667#comment-90522</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If the Pope wants to think he’s a monkey, that’s to bad. I’m not Catholic or Evolutionist.&lt;/i&gt;

So what denomination of Christianity are you then?  Or do you expect us to continue believing that you are just an ordinary guy who finds fault with evolution entirely on secular grounds despite regurgitating the lies fabricated by fundamentalist religious organizations and constantly straying into issues of Judeo-Christian morality?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If the Pope wants to think he’s a monkey, that’s to bad. I’m not Catholic or Evolutionist.</i></p>
<p>So what denomination of Christianity are you then?  Or do you expect us to continue believing that you are just an ordinary guy who finds fault with evolution entirely on secular grounds despite regurgitating the lies fabricated by fundamentalist religious organizations and constantly straying into issues of Judeo-Christian morality?</p>
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		<title>By: deadman_932</title>
		<link>http://www.flascience.org/wp/?p=667#comment-90519</link>
		<dc:creator>deadman_932</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ABO (July 30th, 2008 at 9:24 pm) Says: " It’s very doubtful that the Pope has chosen to believe he is a descendent from an ape like creature, as you may hope." 

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ABO (August 4th, 2008 at 11:04 pm) Says: "If the Pope wants to think he’s a monkey, that’s to bad. I’m not Catholic or Evolutionist." 

That's almost as funny as your defense of the "Lady Hope" fraud. 

I don't think Jesus approved of lying for God, ABO. Try stopping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ABO (July 30th, 2008 at 9:24 pm) Says: &#8221; It’s very doubtful that the Pope has chosen to believe he is a descendent from an ape like creature, as you may hope.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>ABO (August 4th, 2008 at 11:04 pm) Says: &#8220;If the Pope wants to think he’s a monkey, that’s to bad. I’m not Catholic or Evolutionist.&#8221; </p>
<p>That&#8217;s almost as funny as your defense of the &#8220;Lady Hope&#8221; fraud. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Jesus approved of lying for God, ABO. Try stopping.</p>
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		<title>By: ABO</title>
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		<dc:creator>ABO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 03:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Pope wants to think he’s a monkey, that’s to bad.  I’m not Catholic or Evolutionist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Pope wants to think he’s a monkey, that’s to bad.  I’m not Catholic or Evolutionist.</p>
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		<title>By: ABO</title>
		<link>http://www.flascience.org/wp/?p=667#comment-90458</link>
		<dc:creator>ABO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 03:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noodlicious
www.catholic.net/RCC/Periodicals/ Dossier/0102-97/Article3.html - 32k -</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noodlicious<br />
<a href="http://www.catholic.net/RCC/Periodicals/" rel="nofollow">http://www.catholic.net/RCC/Periodicals/</a> Dossier/0102-97/Article3.html - 32k -</p>
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		<title>By: firemancarl</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, the Pope demands people live in humility and squallor. The bible can't even get the correct time frames right. To wit: Herod I died in 4 BC . So, he couldn't have been the culprit. Now what? Well, when you add up little inconsitencies like that, you have to wonder why people like ABO would keep up the biblical BS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, the Pope demands people live in humility and squallor. The bible can&#8217;t even get the correct time frames right. To wit: Herod I died in 4 BC . So, he couldn&#8217;t have been the culprit. Now what? Well, when you add up little inconsitencies like that, you have to wonder why people like ABO would keep up the biblical BS.</p>
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		<title>By: Noodlicious</title>
		<link>http://www.flascience.org/wp/?p=667#comment-89805</link>
		<dc:creator>Noodlicious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No doubt ABO will follow its usual form and evade or waffle off into lala land, so I'll post a little appetizer for him/her/it...

“Creationists, however, expressed dismay at the pontiff’s words and suggested that the initial news reports might have been based on a faulty translation. (John Paul gave the speech in French.)  Perhaps, some creationists argued, the pope really said, “the theory evolution is more than one hypothesis,” not “the theory of evolution is more than a hypothesis.”  
If that were so, the Pope might have been suggesting that there are multiple theories of evolution, and all of them might be wrong.

The “faulty translation” theory, however, suffered at least two problems.  Most obviously, the theory collapsed when the Catholic News Service of the Vatican confirmed that the Pope did indeed mean “more than a hypothesis,” not “more than one hypothesis.”  

The other problem stemmed from a reading of the passage in more complete context.  In the speech, the Pope makes clear in his speech that he understood the difference between evolution (the highly probable fact) and the mechanism for evolution, a matter of hot dispute among scientists.  John Paul said, “And, to tell the truth, rather than the theory of evolution, we should speak of several theories of evolution.”

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/vaticanview.html

Then there's this from Vatican Observatory Director Jesuit Father George V. Coyne at Palm Beach Atlantic University in West Palm Beach, Fla.

"I would essentially like to share with you two convictions in this presentation: (1) that the Intelligent Design (ID) movement, while evoking a God of power and might, a designer God, actually belittles God, makes her/him too small and paltry; (2) that our scientific understanding of the universe, untainted by religious considerations, provides for those who believe in God a marvelous opportunity to reflect upon their beliefs"

"Nonetheless, in 1996 in a message to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences Pope John Paul II declared that: “New scientific knowledge has led us to the conclusion that the theory of evolution is no longer a mere hypothesis.” The new scientific knowledge has also led to what is now called neo-Darwinian evolution, for the most part in continuity with Darwin but obviously progressing beyond his science."

Oh and to be fair, I shouldn't leave out this one by Henry M. Morris.
[Founder and former President of the Institute of Creation Research]   :)

"According to the Vatican Information Service in a news release on October 23, 1996, Pope John Paul II was reported as saying that evolution is "more than just a theory." This seems to mean, despite the tenuous wording, that he now considers evolution a scientific fact. His written message to his science advisers, the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, speaks of "a series of discoveries made in different spheres of knowledge" which have convinced him to make this bold statement supporting evolution and suggesting that his millions of followers do the same."

OK Your turn ABO. Your supporting quote is....?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No doubt ABO will follow its usual form and evade or waffle off into lala land, so I&#8217;ll post a little appetizer for him/her/it&#8230;</p>
<p>“Creationists, however, expressed dismay at the pontiff’s words and suggested that the initial news reports might have been based on a faulty translation. (John Paul gave the speech in French.)  Perhaps, some creationists argued, the pope really said, “the theory evolution is more than one hypothesis,” not “the theory of evolution is more than a hypothesis.”<br />
If that were so, the Pope might have been suggesting that there are multiple theories of evolution, and all of them might be wrong.</p>
<p>The “faulty translation” theory, however, suffered at least two problems.  Most obviously, the theory collapsed when the Catholic News Service of the Vatican confirmed that the Pope did indeed mean “more than a hypothesis,” not “more than one hypothesis.”  </p>
<p>The other problem stemmed from a reading of the passage in more complete context.  In the speech, the Pope makes clear in his speech that he understood the difference between evolution (the highly probable fact) and the mechanism for evolution, a matter of hot dispute among scientists.  John Paul said, “And, to tell the truth, rather than the theory of evolution, we should speak of several theories of evolution.”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/vaticanview.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/vaticanview.html</a></p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s this from Vatican Observatory Director Jesuit Father George V. Coyne at Palm Beach Atlantic University in West Palm Beach, Fla.</p>
<p>&#8220;I would essentially like to share with you two convictions in this presentation: (1) that the Intelligent Design (ID) movement, while evoking a God of power and might, a designer God, actually belittles God, makes her/him too small and paltry; (2) that our scientific understanding of the universe, untainted by religious considerations, provides for those who believe in God a marvelous opportunity to reflect upon their beliefs&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Nonetheless, in 1996 in a message to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences Pope John Paul II declared that: “New scientific knowledge has led us to the conclusion that the theory of evolution is no longer a mere hypothesis.” The new scientific knowledge has also led to what is now called neo-Darwinian evolution, for the most part in continuity with Darwin but obviously progressing beyond his science.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh and to be fair, I shouldn&#8217;t leave out this one by Henry M. Morris.<br />
[Founder and former President of the Institute of Creation Research]   <img src='http://www.flascience.org/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8220;According to the Vatican Information Service in a news release on October 23, 1996, Pope John Paul II was reported as saying that evolution is &#8220;more than just a theory.&#8221; This seems to mean, despite the tenuous wording, that he now considers evolution a scientific fact. His written message to his science advisers, the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, speaks of &#8220;a series of discoveries made in different spheres of knowledge&#8221; which have convinced him to make this bold statement supporting evolution and suggesting that his millions of followers do the same.&#8221;</p>
<p>OK Your turn ABO. Your supporting quote is&#8230;.?</p>
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		<title>By: Noodlicious</title>
		<link>http://www.flascience.org/wp/?p=667#comment-89801</link>
		<dc:creator>Noodlicious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Notice ABO doesn't even provide a link for his Catholic.net quote. How about it ABO? I'm curious to read the article and any subsequent comments on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notice ABO doesn&#8217;t even provide a link for his Catholic.net quote. How about it ABO? I&#8217;m curious to read the article and any subsequent comments on it.</p>
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