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		<title>By: cope</title>
		<link>http://www.flascience.org/wp/?p=1640#comment-253582</link>
		<dc:creator>cope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 21:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

Though it is out of the norm, many organisms have remained evolutionarily static for millions of years (as seen through the fossil record and up until today), coelacanths and ginkgo trees being the first that come to mind.

As for the parrot fossil, described by Clemens&#039; graduate student Thomas Stidham, it was &quot;...only half an inch long, was probably from a bird about the size of a macaw, and most closely resembles the lories of Australia and some of the South American macaws. It thus is the oldest known parrot and the oldest reported modern land bird...&quot;, it is not the fossil of any modern parrot and, indeed, its status as a fossil parrot is still being argued in the scientific community.

To be honest, I hope you are done swimming upstream at this blog and really hope not to see a reply from you (though I suspect my post will only cause you to double down on your illogical, rhetorically challenged responses).

I, however, am done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>Though it is out of the norm, many organisms have remained evolutionarily static for millions of years (as seen through the fossil record and up until today), coelacanths and ginkgo trees being the first that come to mind.</p>
<p>As for the parrot fossil, described by Clemens&#8217; graduate student Thomas Stidham, it was &#8220;&#8230;only half an inch long, was probably from a bird about the size of a macaw, and most closely resembles the lories of Australia and some of the South American macaws. It thus is the oldest known parrot and the oldest reported modern land bird&#8230;&#8221;, it is not the fossil of any modern parrot and, indeed, its status as a fossil parrot is still being argued in the scientific community.</p>
<p>To be honest, I hope you are done swimming upstream at this blog and really hope not to see a reply from you (though I suspect my post will only cause you to double down on your illogical, rhetorically challenged responses).</p>
<p>I, however, am done.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.flascience.org/wp/?p=1640#comment-253532</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 01:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ivorygirl.

You&#039;re really pretty funny, &#039;theological debate&#039;!  The only knowledge you have on the subject all appears to come from pro-atheist,  anti-creation propaganda.  So far you&#039;ve said nothing which might indicate you had a clue of what you were talking about. 

At the beginning of this subject I posted an article I thought was very interesting.  The article included comments from William Clemens Jr who is quite creditable.  He said modern parrots were found in the late Cretaceous.  Here is a little about him:   http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/about/history/waclemens.php.   Along with modern birds, the article also listed numerous fish, amphibians, reptiles and modern animals in dinosaur rock which are living today.  

Your first response was to trash the researcher and then trash the publisher by claiming  their publications are full of half truths, miss quotes and down right lies.   Having claimed to have read the book Living Fossils which contained all of theses defects you were unwilling or unable to produce one example from the book containing these said deceptions.

Thus far there has been nothing said in this string of comments of how these creatures avoided evolutionary change for millions of years.  There discoveries  might challenge the arrangement of living organisms and alter evolutions phylogenic tree.  An alteration or adjustment in the scientific prospective would be the normal response if science was part of evolutions equation.  If science is any part of this scenario it would seem these discoveries would be publicly noted.  The appearance is pro evolutionists are concerned with protecting a theory at the expense of digesting the evidence, in which case we all lose.

Perhaps Maddogma will have the fortitude to check his assumptions aside from biased religious humanist sources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ivorygirl.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re really pretty funny, &#8216;theological debate&#8217;!  The only knowledge you have on the subject all appears to come from pro-atheist,  anti-creation propaganda.  So far you&#8217;ve said nothing which might indicate you had a clue of what you were talking about. </p>
<p>At the beginning of this subject I posted an article I thought was very interesting.  The article included comments from William Clemens Jr who is quite creditable.  He said modern parrots were found in the late Cretaceous.  Here is a little about him:   <a href="http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/about/history/waclemens.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/about/history/waclemens.php</a>.   Along with modern birds, the article also listed numerous fish, amphibians, reptiles and modern animals in dinosaur rock which are living today.  </p>
<p>Your first response was to trash the researcher and then trash the publisher by claiming  their publications are full of half truths, miss quotes and down right lies.   Having claimed to have read the book Living Fossils which contained all of theses defects you were unwilling or unable to produce one example from the book containing these said deceptions.</p>
<p>Thus far there has been nothing said in this string of comments of how these creatures avoided evolutionary change for millions of years.  There discoveries  might challenge the arrangement of living organisms and alter evolutions phylogenic tree.  An alteration or adjustment in the scientific prospective would be the normal response if science was part of evolutions equation.  If science is any part of this scenario it would seem these discoveries would be publicly noted.  The appearance is pro evolutionists are concerned with protecting a theory at the expense of digesting the evidence, in which case we all lose.</p>
<p>Perhaps Maddogma will have the fortitude to check his assumptions aside from biased religious humanist sources.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivorygirl</title>
		<link>http://www.flascience.org/wp/?p=1640#comment-253342</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivorygirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2012 18:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, I have no intentions of getting into a theological debate, this is a science blog or did that escape you? So now the bible is a science book and “Maddogma” is just too ill informed to comprehend the theocratic nuisances it contains? I’m sure that you’re capable of writing yet more risible, intellectually challenged nonsense and presenting more of those “edifying” observation of yours? We will all stand back in amazement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I have no intentions of getting into a theological debate, this is a science blog or did that escape you? So now the bible is a science book and “Maddogma” is just too ill informed to comprehend the theocratic nuisances it contains? I’m sure that you’re capable of writing yet more risible, intellectually challenged nonsense and presenting more of those “edifying” observation of yours? We will all stand back in amazement.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.flascience.org/wp/?p=1640#comment-253178</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2012 23:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, I’m going to let you and Ivorygirl fight it out. However, I will say that your implication that evolution is a religious ideology does little to support your argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I’m going to let you and Ivorygirl fight it out. However, I will say that your implication that evolution is a religious ideology does little to support your argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan, with all respect I think your wrong.  Ivorygirls questions were for the purpose of exulting her personal religious convictions.  My simple answers contain unacceptable facts for her religious views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan, with all respect I think your wrong.  Ivorygirls questions were for the purpose of exulting her personal religious convictions.  My simple answers contain unacceptable facts for her religious views.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maddogma,  Only by taking scripture out of context can you arrive at your conclusions. You&#039;ll find nowhere in the bible where it says the earth is flat or that the sun revolves around the earth.  Even thought early scientist held these views they are not supported by the bible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maddogma,  Only by taking scripture out of context can you arrive at your conclusions. You&#8217;ll find nowhere in the bible where it says the earth is flat or that the sun revolves around the earth.  Even thought early scientist held these views they are not supported by the bible.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ivorygirl, I&#039;ll informed you are.  The Bronze Age desert goat herder description of biblical authors is typical atheist propaganda and pure stupidity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ivorygirl, I&#8217;ll informed you are.  The Bronze Age desert goat herder description of biblical authors is typical atheist propaganda and pure stupidity.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivorygirl</title>
		<link>http://www.flascience.org/wp/?p=1640#comment-252751</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivorygirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2012 03:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, let me make my post a little simpler for you so your religiously clouded brain can comprehend. Your arguments are not worth the paper they are written on; a 5th grader could have put together a more persuasive argument. If being conversant with the world around me, means mindlessly accepting the existence of an invisible man in the sky as portrayed by a group of ignorant, Bronze Age desert goat herders, I would rather remain ill-informed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, let me make my post a little simpler for you so your religiously clouded brain can comprehend. Your arguments are not worth the paper they are written on; a 5th grader could have put together a more persuasive argument. If being conversant with the world around me, means mindlessly accepting the existence of an invisible man in the sky as portrayed by a group of ignorant, Bronze Age desert goat herders, I would rather remain ill-informed.</p>
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